capetriangle wrote:
This is a fascinating subject, but as far as authenticity is concerned there is really nothing to talk about.
Richard Debney
capetriangle wrote:
I cannot remember, to save my life, the name of the author. The report was, I believe, spiral-bound and about a quarter of an inch thick.
.... I spent very little time with the report, and neither Mr. Najjar or Dr. Hall referred to it or the other one in their illustrated talks.
Richard Debney
"Nothing to talk about?" Well, you are fully entitled to your view of course.
You have posted FOUR times above in 4 different posts re a report a "handwriting expert" tendered last week. Your words not mine - a "hand-writing expert".
At least one member above has queried, based on your comment, why the handwriting on the cover is relevant.
I'd agree .. that is totally irrelevant to whether these stamp show the plate number 77 on each of them. That is the ONLY matter of interest to us here
I suggest the reason you took that dismissive path was you are attempting to obfuscate WHO exactly wrote the report you refer to, and exactly WHAT the writer is indeed an expert in.
Unlike you, it seems his examination extended past peering at the cover with a hand held glass. Thank goodness there is some SCIENCE in the examination of these stamps, and not biased speculation to cover your POV, which I suggest is all you have added.
Mr Debney - you are a stamp collector interested in, you tell us here, mainly in Western Australia and Cape Triangles - but not recess printed GB.
You possess, unless I am mistaken, NO formal qualifications whatever in forensic document examination, or any court accreditation as an expert witness in that field - but you are telling us this Internationally known paper forensic expert is totally wrong, and you are still totally right?
But you do agree you were the prime mover on the Philatelic Foundation (PF) "Expert" Committee that branded this cover as a "FAKE" - alleging the "7s" had all been painted in!
Mr Radley (refer CV below) has stated in a highly detailed report, examining your own "Certificate" and covering letters, that your opinion is totally incorrect, and that there is not a single shred of proof whatever to support it.
And let us not be mistaken - there can ONLY be one of 2 outcomes here -
1. The cover is totally FAKED as you claim, which the Philatelic Foundation you served on, (and no longer serve on it seems?) stated so in writing
2. The cover and stamps are 100% GENUINE and un-altered, as Mr Radley - and all the other forensic and expert reports, have concluded.
My bet is on number #2.
Mr Radley is a world expert with several 100 sworn court appearances across the world, and a leading EXPERT in this field, with 9000 cases under his belt and is whom MY money is on as to being correct - of the two possible outcomes!
The onus clearly lies entirely now upon you Mr Debney to produce a detailed report from an equally qualified expert, that refutes all Mr Radley has written in his.
In a Court Of Law proof is what is required. Mr Radley has presented paper and document research PROOF and analysis in hundreds of court trials, that doubtless they have been relied upon by learned Judges, moreso than someone's opposing view with a hand held magnifier.
The most obvious and correct course now is for the PF to issue a new Certificate, without your input as you say you have left there.
Hopefully unlike you, the new committee will go into this with an open mind, taking the time to READ the detailed new EXPERT report, and other reports, stating the 3 stamps and cover are genuine and un-altered, and all showing the Plate number "77" engraved on them.
What say you Mr Debney???
Glen
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Your rather glib reference to a "handwriting expert" on 4 occasions so far, refers to no less than to this person -
And I quote from his website -
Robert Radley holds the Degrees of Bachelor of Science (Hons) in Chemistry, and Master of Science in Forensic Science. He also holds the Diploma of the Forensic Science Society in Document Examination and is a Chartered Chemist. He is a Registered Forensic Practitioner.
Mr Radley is a Fellow of The Forensic Science Society, a corresponding member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a Fellow of the Academy of Experts, and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry.
He has successfully completed the Assessors' Course for the Council of the Registration of Forensic Practitioners, and was an examiner for the Forensic Science Society for 12 years with respect to their Diploma in Document Examination.
He has written numerous papers and publications in forensic science journals on forensic document examination, relating to a variety of aspects of this work. He has presented these to scientific meetings both in this country and abroad. He has been on the Editorial Board of the International Journal of Forensic Document Examiners.
Since 1971, Mr Radley has been consulted in over 9,000 cases involving questioned documents with instructions received from all over the world.
These generally relate to signature authentication and/or handwriting identification together with other areas of document examination which are dealt with on a routine basis, including non-destructive instrumental analysis of inks, paper, alterations, erasures, typewriting, printing, indented and electrostatic writing impressions in documents (ESDA), photocopy examinations, dating queries, determination of sequences of writings etc.
He has trained as a Single Joint Expert and regularly deals with such cases.
He has given evidence on several hundred occasions as an expert witness in the courts throughout the UK and also courts in Australia, New Zealand, Brunei, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malta, The Hague, The Republic of Ireland, Jersey, Cyprus, Germany, Switzerland, Kenya and Gibraltar.
His laboratory is extensively equipped with the necessary instrumentation for the forensic examination of documents.
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Call me old fashioned, but with all due respect, I'd back his detailed written opinion over yours - formed after checking the cover with a fancy 10 x glass it seems?